tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post33182532104398197..comments2010-05-06T09:20:48.882-04:00Comments on Guthammer's Last Stand: Tanking: Barriers To EntryGuthammerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07050792776342037099noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post-88948027530860817232010-01-22T15:04:50.559-05:002010-01-22T15:04:50.559-05:00This was a fun read. I think, though, that the bi...This was a fun read. I think, though, that the biggest barrier to tanking is the mindset necessary to do a good job of it.<br /><br />At least at the heroic level, most players are able to transition from tank or healer to dps without too much pain. Their numbers may be a little lower, but they otherwise have the skills and knowledge to do a good job. This is true, though to a lesser extent, for anybody switching to healing. I can't tell you, however, how many players I know that have tried tanking and run away screaming. A tank has to be comfortable with being up front and watched by the other four members of the group.<br /><br />While leveling and gear are also barriers, I think they are not nearly as serious as the above. I think this is the reason why, despite the creation of a new tanking class for WotLK, we still have a tank shortage. It isn't about the characters; it's about the players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post-9452179707688545672010-01-22T13:48:48.150-05:002010-01-22T13:48:48.150-05:00Thanks for my idea of one of my next posts.
I hav...Thanks for my idea of one of my next posts.<br /><br />I have used the term "catastrophically overgeared" for some tanks (and I think its mostly a tank issue)--but now I have a fuller idea to hang on that phrase. <br /><br />And for the i200 heroics, I am "catastrophically overgeared". Am I on the high side of geared for HHoR. 36-37K HP, etc (4/5 t9.33/ 1 t10.0)Guthammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07050792776342037099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post-47501573565148160582010-01-22T10:59:19.772-05:002010-01-22T10:59:19.772-05:00I agree with you regarding the Pressure put on DPS...I agree with you regarding the Pressure put on DPS verse Tanks in a heroic environment. <br /><br />I used to believe that DPS weren't all that important but I've come to realize that this is actually a false statement on my behalf. Look at the set up of heroic. <br /><br />1 tank, 1 healer, & 3 DPS.<br /><br />I have found that if two out of the three parts of your group is strong, you will have an easier time succeeding than let's say just one. <br /><br />To cover up a poor healer, you need LEET DPS & a tank with very good situational awareness. To cover up a bad Tank, you better have leet DPS & a very good healer (spam heals anyone?). <br /><br />DPS is a whole can of worms because you are not just talking about 1 single person that takes up 100% but three that combined job = 100% 1 bad DPS (33.33% repeating of course) must be made up with the other two. Yes, if one DPS hits the dirt, those other two MUST pick up the slack or they are really going to put pressure on the healer, Tank, and two other DPS to get it done. <br /><br />Since I've never DPSed in a raiding environment, I've never had to deal with the Enrage timers bosses. I would say that they would be as stressful and AS important as, lets say, a tank getting hit like a dump truck, or for a healer having to deal with LoS issues or raid wide damage. <br /><br />If you are on the cusp of Raiding, your DPS better be top notch just like your tanks & healer. <br /><br />It is the Holy Trinity after all ;)<br /><br />TL;DR is that for those Tanks that get kicked out of heroics for their low HP or "gear requirements" don't let it phase you. Let people know that you are new to tanking and that you would really like to learn how to do it correctly. You have 15 minutes to show them that you are trying before they can kick you from the group. If they do end up kicking you, then good riddence. Why would I stick my neck out to help out 4 other people. Sorry bout cha ;)<br /><br /><br />On a different note: Welcome to the Blogsphere! Glad to have you :)<br /><br />Keep up the good work.<br /><br /><3 FuuAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819473991798509996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post-72442011576519630932010-01-21T16:53:12.554-05:002010-01-21T16:53:12.554-05:00Welcome Foobaar! You're my first commenter! Ya...Welcome Foobaar! You're my first commenter! Yay!<br /><br />Even if the DPS noobs it up, barring someone giving you recount grief, you aren't likely to be caught. Its even less likely that you will end up with someone running back and having to spend 10 gold in reps. Or everyone running back and paying 50 gold combined.<br /><br />So long as your DPS isn't face pulling its hard for a new 80 DPS to wipe the group. Not so much for a new tank.<br /><br />24k HP tanks, regularly and actively get told they can't do the i200 heroics-before the first pull.<br /><br />You man not be playing in your comfort zone DPSing in 5-mans but I would think that for you DPSing a 5 man would be less stressful than say, healing it for the first time, no? Assuming that healing is equally out of your comfort zone as DPS.<br /><br />You being in poor DPS doesn't make you a noobet, any more than me rolling another level 1 warrior would make me a noobet.Guthammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07050792776342037099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1986201351940678796.post-56358622229707989792010-01-21T16:19:50.061-05:002010-01-21T16:19:50.061-05:00I believe that every type of Class & Spec goes...I believe that every type of Class & Spec goes through all of these same things when it's your first time. <br /><br />If you care at ALL about what you are doing, even as DPS, you need to research, gear, and spend time learning the ropes before you actully throw yourself in to the masses.<br /><br />My very first toon (still my main today) is a Protection paladin. Funny thing is, I've actually never DPSed before. I can tank ICC 10 with ease on Fuu but make me DPS and I become a HUGE newbet.<br /><br />Needless to say, it's not just tanks that have to go through this "Barrier" to enter the epeen world of "Heroics".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819473991798509996noreply@blogger.com